Ranger's training thread

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Never

Argue

With

A

Fool

– They

They

Will

Drag

you

Down

To

Their

Level,

Then

Beat

You

With

Experience!

[Citroen]

Being a "sportsman" is the easiest thing in the world.

If it's so easy why did you slope off at BIRC without standing on the podium to collect your medal?

I didn't think I won anything.

I just paddled the 2K.

That paddling the 2K won me a bronze is astonishing.

At the time, I had no idea.

ranger

Then you are 100% more stupid than you appear. The C2 helpers and staff ALWAYS marshall the medallists on to the podium - everyone is told to sit on their ergos until that process is complete. You were just too ashamed to be beaten by TWO better rowers so you sloped off.

Get used to it, because Roy is coming back to rowing. You're not going to get any medal at any big event ever again. You might be able to fiddle around going to minor regional events where they don't bother with proper weigh-ins and where you only have a couple of competitors but you're done for BIRC and the CRASH-Bs.

[ranger]

Come next Wednesday, i'll be visiting w/Roy.

Yea, visiting with Roy does wonders for your rowing, as does watching others row at Henley.

Travelling (transatlantic flights, etc.) is also great for your training, especially your OTW rowing.

I hear that a nice dinner out on the town in London with Roy also helps your fitness and technique.

I am doing 25K a day.

Not much, but I keep pluggin' away.

I need to work that up to 40K a day before the end of the summer.

ranger

[snowleopard]

Yea, visiting with Roy does wonders for you rowing, as does watching others row at Henley.

Sure does. Fitness tips from a world record holder and technique tips from the world's best: watch and learn. You don't get either in batcave.

I hear that a nice dinner out on the town in London with Roy also helps your fitness and technique.

Beats frotting with the Juice Lady in Door County

[ranger]

Get used to it, because Roy is coming back to rowing. You're not going to get any medal at any big event ever again.

Sorry, but Roy has never come anywhere near my erg times, fully prepared, even when I rowed badly at max drag.

Now, I have spent eight years improving my rowing.

Rowing well at low drag, I'll now pull 6:16.

Roy hasn't done anything to improve his rowing.

For those like Roy who just train to race, the normal decline with age among veterans is 1.7 seconds a year over 2K.

Given Roy's lwt 6:38 at 55, that predicts a lwt 6:46.5 at 60.

Sure.

That's a nice 2K for a 60s lwt.

But I am going to pull 6:16.

Different matter entirely.

ranger

[ranger]

Yea, visiting with Roy does wonders for you rowing, as does watching others row at Henley.

Sure does. Fitness tips from a world record holder and technique tips from the world's best: watch and learn.

Naw, Roy got has fitness tips from me, back in 2003.

That's how he became a WR-holder.

And rowing can be watched in all sorts of ways these days.

No need to go to Henley.

ranger

[ranger]

For someone like Roy, fitness doesn't have anything to do with getting better.

Roy maxed out his fitness long ago.

Now, it is just declining with age.

The only way Roy can improve is to get better at rowing.

But this would demand a commitment that Roy doesn't seem interested in.

In particular, to get significantly better at rowing, I think that Roy would have to row OTW for a decade or so, as I have.

As far as I can tell, Roy has no interest in rowing OTW.

ranger

[ranger]

BTW, Roy won't be a WR-holder much longer.

In a couple of years, Paul Siebach will blow his 55s lwt record away easily, with one hand tied behind his back.

If the normal decline with age is a second over 2K per year after 20, Paul should still be able to pull 6:30 when he is 55, given that he pulled 6:25 when he was 50.

When Paul pulls 6:30 at 55, he will best Roy's 55s lwt WR by one of the largest margins in the history of the sport--eight seconds.

Paul Hendershott's besting of the 60s hwt WR in 2004 by seven seconds was the worst beating a male WR, 40-70, has taken so far.

If I pull a lwt 6:16 at 60, I'll best Brian Bailey's 60s lwt WR by 26 seconds.

ranger

[ranger]

I didn't row at all until I was 50, and I didn't race as a lightweight until I was 52, and even so, as a total novice, rowing badly (10 SPI) at max drag (200+ df.).

If I had been rowing for a decade, both OTW and off, and had known how to row well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.) when I was 50, as I know now how to row well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.) at 60, I think I would have pulled 6:10.

That would have broken Jean-Paul Tardieu's 50s lwt WR at the time by 22 seconds.

ranger

[snowleopard]

No need to go to Henley.

You've never been

BTW, what is it about Mike and Roy getting together that has caused this outburst of ill will?

I think I would have pulled 6:10.

Prat

[whp4]

BTW, Roy won't be a WR-holder much longer.

In a couple of years, Paul Siebach will blow his 55s lwt record away easily, with one hand tied behind his back.

Refresh our memory, how long did your WR hold up?

[PaulH]

the normal decline with age among veterans is 1.7 seconds a year over 2K.

18 minutes later...

the normal decline with age is a second over 2K per year after 20

[ranger]

Mike VB--

To get your OTW rowing scores up, you need to get your erg scores up.

You are rowing OTW as well as you can--already.

Nothing more to be done there.

Now, the question is: what kind of engine do you have?

The answer now is: not much.

A lawnmower.

A go-cart.

An egg-beater.

Etc.

Do 16:30 for 5K OTErg, instead of 18:00, and that answer would be pretty different.

Then, you would be gettin' somewhere!

ranger

[bellboy]

Mike VB--

To get your OTW rowing scores up, you need to get your erg scores up.

You are rowing OTW as well as you can--already.

Nothing more to be done there.

Now, the question is: what kind of engine do you have?

The answer now is: not much.

A lawnmower.

A go-cart.

An egg-beater.

Etc.

Do 16:30 for 5K OTErg, instead of 18:00, and that answer would be pretty different.

Then, you would be gettin' somewhere!

ranger

Oh dear. Has Captain Chaos had a snifter or two this afternoon? You can lash out like the bitter old fraud that you are but you were incapable of beating Roy's WR despite trying for FOUR years! As for beating Mike VB on the water? I have more chance of being nuts deep in Salma Hayek tonight than you do of rowing in a straight line and beating Mike. I almost feel sorry for you and your tragically overblown ego.....almost.

[Steve G]

BTW, Roy won't be a WR-holder much longer.

In a couple of years, Paul Siebach will blow his 55s lwt record away easily, with one hand tied behind his back.

If the normal decline with age is a second over 2K per year after 20, Paul should still be able to pull 6:30 when he is 55, given that he pulled 6:25 when he was 50.

When Paul pulls 6:30 at 55, he will best Roy's 55s lwt WR by one of the largest margins in the history of the sport--eight seconds.

Paul Hendershott's besting of the 60s hwt WR in 2004 by seven seconds was the worst beating a male WR, 40-70, has taken so far.

If I pull a lwt 6:16 at 60, I'll best Brian Bailey's 60s lwt WR by 26 seconds.

ranger

The upshot is Rich you didnt beat Roys record whatever spin you dish out.
Hows that 1.48 marathon coming on? Do you reckon you could perhaps do a mere 5K at that pace, how far do you go before stopping ?