First 5,000m

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Re: First 5,000m

Post by mightymayesy » October 22nd, 2019, 2:38 pm

Evening all!

I appreciate the advice. I have read the information - thanks.

Not to go against your advice but I want to empirically validate. I may even regress the data to see what is my best bang for buck.

Tonight's 5,000m was at damper 2. Set a new PB: 22m25.5s. c.20 seconds faster than at damper 10.

Thursday is damper setting 3.

Sam
35. 6'7". Starting weight: 125kg. Current weight: 121.7kg. | 3.3kg down via rowing since 15/10/2019.
2,000m PB: 9m35.6s | 5,000m PB: 21m30.9s

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Re: First 5,000m

Post by Anth_F » October 22nd, 2019, 8:45 pm

Forget the damper setting. Go into the monitors menu and bring up display drag factor and pull some strokes until you see a reading of around 115-125 drag. That is where you need to be for your rowing!!!
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Re: First 5,000m

Post by Dangerscouse » October 23rd, 2019, 12:23 am

mightymayesy wrote:
October 22nd, 2019, 2:38 pm
Evening all!

I appreciate the advice. I have read the information - thanks.

Not to go against your advice but I want to empirically validate. I may even regress the data to see what is my best bang for buck.

Tonight's 5,000m was at damper 2. Set a new PB: 22m25.5s. c.20 seconds faster than at damper 10.

Thursday is damper setting 3.

Sam
Good, well done. Imo you should keep doing what you're doing and find what works for you. It is very interesting that you have set a new PB on a much lower drag factor.
47 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:24; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,428m 60mins= 16,461m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:44:04; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: First 5,000m

Post by mightymayesy » October 24th, 2019, 9:42 am

Hi all!

I cannot wait to get on the rower tonight. Any one else get that feeling? Probably still the novelty of it all for me...!

I'm so intrigued to see how my little experiment will play out. Damper setting 3 tonight.

Assuming I do my 5,000 meters tonight that'll be 21,000m in my first week! Get me!

Sam
35. 6'7". Starting weight: 125kg. Current weight: 121.7kg. | 3.3kg down via rowing since 15/10/2019.
2,000m PB: 9m35.6s | 5,000m PB: 21m30.9s

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Re: First 5,000m

Post by Dangerscouse » October 24th, 2019, 10:23 am

To save on time why don't you row 1k on damper 3; 1k on damper 4 etc for the 5k that you're doing? You will soon get a good feel for what feels right.
47 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:24; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,428m 60mins= 16,461m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:44:04; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: First 5,000m

Post by mightymayesy » October 24th, 2019, 2:13 pm

Nice call! I wish I thought of that before. Changing now will mess up my sample size.

So.... tonight was interesting. I was too excited to jump on the rower and worked out too soon after eating. I could have easily renamed my rower to the vomit comet! I was sure I wasn't going to finish either. But alas, a PB!

5,000m. Damper 3. 22m02.1s.

Saturday is Damper 4.

Sam
35. 6'7". Starting weight: 125kg. Current weight: 121.7kg. | 3.3kg down via rowing since 15/10/2019.
2,000m PB: 9m35.6s | 5,000m PB: 21m30.9s

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Re: First 5,000m

Post by Schaapveld4 » October 25th, 2019, 11:39 am

Make sure you are recording the average drag factor for each setting also. If you ever use a fitness center or someone else's machine you will need that info to dial in the same spot as the Damper setting is different for every machine.

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Re: First 5,000m

Post by Citroen » October 25th, 2019, 12:33 pm

Schaapveld4 wrote:
October 25th, 2019, 11:39 am
Make sure you are recording the average drag factor for each setting also. If you ever use a fitness center or someone else's machine you will need that info to dial in the same spot as the Damper setting is different for every machine.
If the workout is recorded with Ergdata on your phone and uploaded to https://log.concept2.com/ you can't avoid recording the drag factor.

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Re: First 5,000m

Post by Allan Olesen » October 26th, 2019, 4:07 am

mightymayesy wrote:
October 24th, 2019, 2:13 pm
Saturday is Damper 4.
Have you considered that your fitness and technique is evolving during all these tests?

So when you have done all 10 damper settings you will end up with a curve, which partly shows the effect of damper settings and partly shows your fitness trend over time.

You could to some extent mitigate this by picking a random damper setting for each session.

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Re: First 5,000m

Post by Citroen » October 26th, 2019, 4:13 am

Do a set of six 500m intervals on a two min rest. Start with the drag set to 100 then 120 then 140 (don't use the damper lever position). For number four set it back to 110, then 130 & 150.

Assuming you're warmed up, you should eliminate some of the variability, although by rep #6 you will be more tired.

Then set the drag to 120 and leave it there for the rest of eternity.

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Re: First 5,000m

Post by mitchel674 » October 26th, 2019, 12:54 pm

Citroen wrote:
October 26th, 2019, 4:13 am


Then set the drag to 120 and leave it there for the rest of eternity.
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Re: First 5,000m

Post by mightymayesy » October 27th, 2019, 1:55 pm

Hi all!

Thanks for all your replies. So i'm half way through my experiment.

Another 5,000m. Damper 4.

Another PB: 21m30.9s.

I feel like my technique is improving. Focus tonight was maintaining a straight back. Tomorrow will be maintaining a straight back but also trying to maintain a consistent pull. My pull - not sure of the right term - varies in strength each time and I noted the project finish time varies.

Sam
35. 6'7". Starting weight: 125kg. Current weight: 121.7kg. | 3.3kg down via rowing since 15/10/2019.
2,000m PB: 9m35.6s | 5,000m PB: 21m30.9s

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Re: First 5,000m

Post by Ombrax » October 28th, 2019, 3:19 am

mightymayesy wrote:
October 27th, 2019, 1:55 pm
also trying to maintain a consistent pull. My pull - not sure of the right term - varies in strength each time and I noted the project finish time varies.
Sam, the projected finish (time, or distance, depending on what type of workout you're doing) is indeed sensitive to the force of each stroke (until you get near the end, when the distance or time remaining is too small to have a big impact). However, the simplest (and IMO best) way to gauge the power of each stroke is to watch the near real time display of pace (or power). The projected finish is affected by too many other factors to be a good measure of how much you're putting into each stroke. It is useful for other stuff, but IMO immediate assessment of each stroke is not one of them.

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Re: First 5,000m

Post by mightymayesy » October 28th, 2019, 6:34 am

Thanks Ombrax.
I'll have a snoop on the forum around projected finish times to see how it's effected.
Sam
35. 6'7". Starting weight: 125kg. Current weight: 121.7kg. | 3.3kg down via rowing since 15/10/2019.
2,000m PB: 9m35.6s | 5,000m PB: 21m30.9s

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Re: First 5,000m

Post by mightymayesy » October 29th, 2019, 10:16 am

Hi all!

This is my focus tonight.

As I understand it, basically, you use your arms when your legs are locked.

Would someone mind watching my form on insta?

Sam

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35. 6'7". Starting weight: 125kg. Current weight: 121.7kg. | 3.3kg down via rowing since 15/10/2019.
2,000m PB: 9m35.6s | 5,000m PB: 21m30.9s

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